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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.09.05 16:18:00 -
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Also remember that the top ccp dogs are all very wealthy so even if all three projects go the way of the dodo then they are still all very wealthy.
I imagine this has much to do with ccp's current direction. Why worry about taking risks with the company if there is no personal risk?
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.09.05 19:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Also remember that the top ccp dogs are all very wealthy so even if all three projects go the way of the dodo then they are still all very wealthy.
I imagine this has much to do with ccp's current direction. Why worry about taking risks with the company if there is no personal risk?
The whole reason, the only reason, that people are mad at CCP is because they took a larger risk than continuing to develop EvE and EvE only.
It is excellent to see that you paid money to complain about it, and even better that you used someone else's money (self admitted) to do so.
Thank you for your contribution to this great game.
No, thank the person who used his personal money to buy a plex that I bought with isk.
I quit personally funding eve over a year ago.
And before you say zomg you still paid for eve no i didn't. Players who buy plex to get isk are independent of players who use rl money to buy a subscription.
The plex would have been bought regardless if I wanted to resub with isk or not. So ccp lost out on $14.95 because I used an isk bought plex instead of using my own rl money. Queue irrational rage about how I still paid rl money to ccp. Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Also remember that the top ccp dogs are all very wealthy so even if all three projects go the way of the dodo then they are still all very wealthy.
I imagine this has much to do with ccp's current direction. Why worry about taking risks with the company if there is no personal risk?
I wouldnt be too sure that anyone is Iceland is actually wealthy.
Anyone in iceland is most likely suffering heavily due to the financial crush.
But the top ccp corporate officers?
If you really think they are not making loads of money then just lol.
This is the same for any business.
Sure the company and especially the employees might not be making loads of cash but the top of the corp always makes a tidy profit.
Lrn2capitalism.
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Isn't it time you went back to not playing again. 
The person that bought the PLEX got what he wanted out of it when you purchased it with ISK. YOU are the one that burned up CCP's liability to provide game time when you purchased and used it.
No moral high ground for you I'm afraid.
What is this I don't even? Are you drinking and posting again?
Plex are bought independently of someone paying rl money to keep a sub. Did the plex buyer get what he wanted? Of course. But it was a single transaction when normally there would be two transactions. Instead of paying rl money for a resub I paid fake money for a plex. CCP only got paid once instead of twice. Argue it as you will but I only expect another round of circular arguments. 
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tokyo Rose on 05/09/2011 20:40:15
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Originally by: Ranger 1
Isn't it time you went back to not playing again.
The person that bought the PLEX got what he wanted out of it when you purchased it with ISK. YOU are the one that burned up CCP's liability to provide game time when you purchased and used it.
No moral high ground for you I'm afraid.
What is this I don't even? Are you drinking and posting again?
Plex are bought independently of someone paying rl money to keep a sub. Did the plex buyer get what he wanted? Of course. But it was a single transaction when normally there would be two transactions. Instead of paying rl money for a resub I paid fake money for a plex. CCP only got paid once instead of twice. Argue it as you will but I only expect another round of circular arguments.
I'll go slowly for you.
Someone paid CCP for a PLEX.
That PLEX represents an obligation from CCP to provide 30 days of game time.
That someone's intent was to resell that obligation to someone else in return for ISK.
You bought it and he got what he wanted, namely ISK.
You got what you wanted, namely that obligation to provide game time from CCP.
You have directly supported CCP's efforts by removing that obligation to provide game time and completing the transaction cycle.
You like to portray yourself as not providing income to CCP because you pay for PLEX with ISK, when in fact you are essential to their income system working.
Yes, there is a world beyond the end of your nose.
I'll go slowly for you.
Plex sales are independent of subscsription income.
Just because someone buys a plex with rl money doesn't mean its ever applied to an account.
Do some plex eventually get used to fund a subscription?
Of course.
Does every single plex purchase go towards a subscription?
Nope. Ever notice there are hundreds and hundreds of plex on the market?
This is because people buy plex in the hopes of converting it to isk.
Not every plex that is bought with rl money and put on the market is converted to isk hence the hundreds and hundreds on the market.
So when I buy a plex with isk I'm not paying ccp any rl money.
Its called speculation.
Lrn2capitalism.
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Of course, nobody ever said that all PLEX were used for subscription time. But in your case, that is exactly what it was used for. And with it's purchase by you, their potential obligation is fulfilled.
Well done.
Thank you for supporting EVE.
And yet I personally did not support eve. Someone else did. All I did was use some fake money to buy an item that ccp was already paid for. CCP got paid regardless if I used it to resub or not. But by using it to resub ccp was denied my personal money.
You need another shot mate. 
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Originally by: Ranger 1
Of course, nobody ever said that all PLEX were used for subscription time. But in your case, that is exactly what it was used for. And with it's purchase by you, their potential obligation is fulfilled.
Well done.
Thank you for supporting EVE.
And yet I personally did not support eve. Someone else did. All I did was use some fake money to buy an item that ccp was already paid for. CCP got paid regardless if I used it to resub or not. But by using it to resub ccp was denied my personal money.
You need another shot mate.
Not really mate.
If you, and people like you, did not create demand by spending ISK for them other people would stop purchasing them with cash (to CCP) to resell. Without you, CCP makes less money.
Connect the dots, my short sighted friend.
And yet the excess of plex on the market totally destroys your argument.
Think of your liver man.. 
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.09.05 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: AnzacPaul
Edited by: AnzacPaul on 05/09/2011 20:56:42
Originally by: Ranger 1
Connect the dots, my short sighted friend.
Actually considering plex are bought to be resold for isk, its the buyers of the plex (with RL cash) that control the market, not the other way around.
And if people did not create demand by spending ISK for those PLEX, people would stop purchasing them with cash to resell. They shell out the cash because the demand is there, not the other way around.
You have no idea what you are talking about and are arguing for the sake of arguing. 
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.09.05 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
While you may be ****ed CCP re-invested their money, all of us are not.
Which brings us right back to the only point that matters to any person who wants eve to be the best it can be.
CCP are not using eve's income to improve eve.
CCP is using eve's income to improve their bottom line at the explicit detriment of eve development.
Why is this ok for anyone who wants eve to be the best it can be and finally have at least one(just one!!) new feature be developed to conclusion?
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.09.05 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Using your logic, college is a bad choice. You can either benefit directly by getting a minimum wage (or whatever your country has for **** jobs) now, or go to school and make more money later.
Wait what? You are comparing college to a game?
College is your path to a better future.
Profit whooring is ccp's path to a fatter wallet.
How can this possibly be the same thing?
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.09.05 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
When you re-invest money its not profit whoring. Ergo its not the same thing. Even you get to be right once in a while.
When you reinvest money at the expense of your playerbase to make even more money at the expense of your playerbase its profit whooring.
The only reason ccp is funding multiple projects is to increase its future bottom line and not because of some altruistic crap to eventually improve eve.
CCP could improve eve right now by not investing in projects that have nothing to do with or that have limited impact on eve.
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